child of the most high,

You said:  Rev 6:9-11- When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the SOULS OF THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SLAIN because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.

Now, the scene above was at the 5th seal. If God announced after the sixed seal, to have another group sealed , the 144k – Rev 7:3-8, that shows that the scripture themselves reveal that there was a number of people that could not be counted — IN HEAVEN– for the 144K WERE STILL TOGETHER AND DID NOT DIE UNTIL REV 14:1. So if the same number that were sealed in chapter 7 are same ones who were raised from the dead and appeared in Heaven at Rev 14:1, then how are the souls under the alter at the 5th seal, WHO ARE IN HEAVEN before the 144k witness ON EARTH were sealed with the Holy Spririt, considered the same group.. It appears that some one cant count.
If you read futher in chapter 7:9-11, he says there are number IN HEAVEN that cannot be counted, who are before the throne and before the lamb. JW says that they really mean on earth, but let go now to when the 144k die and come to heaven in chapter 14:1-5

Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps. And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.

WHO IS THIS GROUP SINGING THE SONG? – These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. And no lie was found in their mouth; they are blameless.

As we can see, the 144k are clearly identified. Then they see a group that sounds like many waters and like a loud thunder. WHAT DO THEY DO? They sing a song that only the 144k can sing because no one in Heaven, other than the souls that were under the alter can sing a song about salvation. Only the people taken from the earth would even understand what the workds mean. AND GUESS WHAT? The group that is singing IS IN HEAVEN, just is they were in chapter 7, so now there are 2 scriptures that reveal that there is a large number in HEAVEN THAT COULD NOT BE COUNTED.

You see God was revealing these things to his bondservents about their future, not the future of earth dwellers, for they are not in the Kingdom fo God, only the remnants of Jerusalem.. SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN IN REAL TIME — YOUR POINT NUMBER 2 ABOUT ONLY A 144K IN HEAVEN – HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE!!!  more to come… later


Romans 10: 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge; 3 for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

1 Corinthians 2:15 However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man.

My answer: In your words you seems saying the 144K are the remnants of Israel here on earth that are still alive today and you viewed the ones in heaven as the great crowd who are not numbered and are standing before the throne of God and of the Lamb. Let us have first how resurrection will take place and who will be in heaven and on earth as what the JW believe.

Who will be on heaven? In John 3:3 – 5, Jesus mention that in order to get in heaven, one should be born again that is born of water and spirit, that is to say he must have baptism in water and is anointed with the spirit of God. Thus from these we can clearly say that only those who are baptized in water and are born of spirit or is anointed will get way to enter in the Kingdom of God in heaven. Jesus also said that he is the way, the truth and the life and that no one can come to his Father except through him – John 14:6. What does this verse suggest? First it gives proof of John 3:3 -5 where baptism in water is being practice on the time of Jesus starting through John the Baptizer. Second the promise of eternal life in heaven which was foretold by a psalmist in Psalms 68:18 was fulfilled only through Jesus when he came upon earth as man (Ephesians 4:8) and thus brought gifts of men from the earth into heaven. These people who have faith in God stated in the OLD TESTAMENT will not be made perfect apart from those who have heavenly calls [which includes Paul who belongs to that call] because they are the ones who will act as judges to mankind in the coming 1000 years or Millenial Reign of Jesus. They are the secondary part of the seed of Abraham to which the primary part is Jesus and it is through them that these people (in OT) who will live on earth during 1000 years will be made perfect as it says that they WILL NOT BE MADE PERFECT APART FROM THEM.

Who are the particular people who will be in heaven?

Romans 8:28 Now we know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose29because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified.

1 Peter 2:9 But YOU are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that YOU should declare abroad the excellencies” of the one that called YOU out of darkness into his wonderful light.

“It is not through the will of the one who is running but to the one who have mercy”. This verse in the Bible suggest that the gift for man of being on heaven is not on the will of the person who is running but rather on the One who chooses and have mercy on someone whom he may give heavenly life. This now calls the born of water and the born of spirit or born from God.

The first one speaks that this kind of people were called according to his purpose and the next verse identified them as a people for special possession. We may ask ‘what is this according to his purpose’. This is not only of becoming a spiritual being who will live eternally in heaven but an actual truth that these people who were called for the heavenly hope (Hebrews 3:1) will become kings and priests of God and of the Lamb just as they are described as a chosen race and a royal priesthood and the same that speaks in Revelation 14:1,4 identified as the 144K which brought from the HUMAN RACE that is from all races thus they are not literal Jews which is also in the same context or thought in Revelation 5:9, 10 which identifies as the ones who brought from among every tribe, language and nation who will become priests of God and become kings to rule on earth. Revelation 14:4 identified the 144K as the firstfruits to God and the Lamb. What does it mean? It means they are the first ones who are resurrected to be with God and with Jesus, the first product of new creation which God makes – Isaiah 65:17. That is the reason why Jesus is called the firstborn among the dead – Revelation 1:5; Colossians 1:18 and the next resurrected ones are those who have heavenly hope – Revelation 20:6. Take note in this verse that those holy ones who will be PART OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION will become KINGS OVER THE EARTH and THAT THEY WILL BECOME PRIESTS OF GOD AND OF CHRIST and become judges (Revelation 20:4) Now, why first resurrection is emphasized and that the second death has no power over them? It is because there will be another resurrection for those who have earthly hope which the second death may happen on some of them. These 144K will judge the survivor in Armageddon and the resurrected people who will have full knowledge about Jehovah and his word during 1000 years. These 144K will act as judges as what Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 6:2 and by John in Revelation 20:4. Thus, this is why they are called according to God’s purpose and that they are a people for special possession since they will dwell in heaven as spiritual beings. The word “special” means there is another thing of possession that is different with those who are for special possession and that another possession is the earth. The word “second death” marks its significance in identifying for the final judgment after 1000 years which God will do therefore there is resurrection for earthly hope in which people will have abundance knowledge about God and his creations and that after Satan and his demons were freed again after 1000 years for the final test of the people on earth (Revelation 20:2, 7 – 8), the second death (the cut off of life for eternal) will be the end of life of every people who will be against Jehovah. The second death is a term use to denote that there is no hope for a person who turned against God. His life will cease forever. I have explained through my previous comment that resurrection will take place first for those who have heavenly hope starting in the presence of Jesus as stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:23 which has a proof in Revelation 6:9 – 11. This people who have heavenly hope were killed mostly during the first Christian era and during and prior to the world wars in which persecution to the God’s people are terrible.

Another additional proof that those who were living before Jesus Christ came as man will have no way to enter in heaven and this is another proof of John 3:3 – 5.

John 1:12 However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name; 13 and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.

John is referring to Jesus name here. For those who believe on Jesus they can become God’s children, that is to those who had known Jesus and have faith on him and become God’s people. Let us analyze the verse.”However, as many as did receive him,” To whom this words fall? Is it not from his existence in earth when he started to preach the good news of kingdom up to now? Yes, there are prophets who have spoken about Jesus before he sent was to earth. Even King David did know about him. However, are all people in the Hebrew Scriptures got a chance to know him better including his name as Jesus? Certainly no. Jesus was named by God as Jesus only because of he is going to save the Israel – Matthew 1:21. Did people get the full knowledge about Jesus to early people before? No. That is why “as many as receive him” does not include the early God’s people. What’s next? “To them he gave authority to become God’s children.” Think of the sentence please. From this point we could learn that he (Jesus) is the one who gave authority to Christians to become God’s children because they are EXERCISING FAITH IN HIS NAME. When does his name revealed? Is it not when he was born as man? Meaning subject to Jesus is the chance to be God’s children and these is subject first with the call of God to them and their submission of their heart to God. For man and even themselves did not aim to be God’s children but with the will of God just as stated in John 1:13 “and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.” They were born from God, from God’s spirit, they were chosen people from all the human race. Therefore, those who are first recognized as the children of God will have no way in entering on heaven except through Jesus as he himself said also that he is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to Father except through him (John 14:6) that is in either in literal presence with God in heaven and in spiritual sense.

You can read the proof against Trinity in the links below.

The links about the earth will not be destroyed is in the link below.

As you can see Jesus described the Kingdom in heaven like of the Parable of the Wedding (Matthew 22:1 – 14) . God set a day for the wedding feast for his son and he invited many people for the wedding feast of his son yet only few were chosen. To whom the “few” applies? It applies to the little flock or the small group of 144K who will be part of the Heavenly Kingdom. Many people are invited to attend for the wedding feast. Who are those “many people”? These are the true Christians who obey God and have faith in Jesus name who will be part of the extension of the Kingdom of God which is on earth. Who is the one thrown outside the darkness? It refers to those who are rejecting the word of God. These people are being called to come in to the true congregation of God, yet they keep saying that they are invited to be part of that feast wedding for the son yet they are not dress up with the right dress which means they did not do the requirement to be part of God’s kingdom, they are the ones who object and deny the will of God and the truth.

The Watchtower explains the word “in front of the throne” as not to meant literally in heaven. The Greek word used here is “enopion tou thronou” which has a literal meaning of “in sight of the throne” just as God described in Psalms 11:4. The word “in front of / before” does not require literally present in front of God but rather in an acceptable situation to God. Compare the words in Luke 1:6 and Acts 10:33. You may look the word “enopion” in Acts 10:33 with its literal meaning of “in sight” in this interlinear ( In addition to this, the two kinds of body that will be resurrected are identified in 1 Corinthians 15:35- 53. Take note verse 35, someone had asked how would the dead be resurrected? In what kind of body will they have? Verse 38 give answers in which God gives type of body according to his will. Verse 40 speaks the two types of body in resurrection that is the heavenly body and the earthly body. This verse is the MAIN ANSWER to verse 35 on what kind of body they will have in resurrection. It generally speaks of the resurrection of the dead people, isn’t it? Further proof of this that support of the resurrection for the heavenly hope is in Romans 8:17 in which it states a word “but” which gives significant different from those who have earthly hope. In this verse they are heirs of possession BUT of special possession just as what mention in 1 Peter 2:9. Other translations such as NIV, NASB and ASV have the word ”God” though it is not in the original Greek texts. Therefore Romans 8:17 suggest to those who have heirs BUT heirs in heaven. If the hope is only in heaven then there is no need to use “but” or ANOTHER SPECIFICATION of the word “heirs with Christ” but this word definitely differentiate the hope in heaven which is being compared with the hope on earth. Unfortunately, other translations did not see the importance to put the right word like the NWT does. Notice the words used, ”heirs of God” but the next phrase says ”heirs with Christ”. This gives different emphasis since in Psalms 37;9, 11, 29 the hope for the many people is to live on earth. Therefore, when the children of God is called heirs of God it is emphasized to be heirs with Christ [that is in heaven] since the people who will possess the earth are also heirs of God.

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. – KJV

17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. – NASB

The above translation though has not the word “but” indicates still that there is another group of people with heirs. If there is only one kind of heirs then the writing would not write the word “heirs” and emphasize “heirs of God” and “fellow heirs of Christ”. This speaks something special for those who have heirs with Christ since there is also another heirs which is on earth. Writing the word “then heirs” and repeated again as “heirs of God” and “joint-heirs of Christ” denotes that they are special people for God. If there is only one kind of body in resurrection and salvation then the writing should be written as only “heirs of God and of Christ”.


Below is the original meaning of the Greek word “peripoiesis” in 1 Peter 2:9

(peripoíēsis) originally meant, ” ‘a making to remain over and above‘. Thus this kind of people is above from among others that is why they are called priests of God and of Christ and they are kings over the earth. Therefore, they are special ones. Thus, the NWT is best translated the way it should mean unlike with other translations.

Below is a copy-paste for additional explanation which about the same topic above.

The commentator said: “If you understood the above point that God made through Paul, you would understand that no religion (which is just a form of worship) is physically GOD nor does a man made church represent God and any organization that presents itself as such is displaying idolatry and adultery. For just is the Kingdom is spiritual, so the Body of Christ is spiritual and they are spiritual discerned. If you don’t have Christ in you, you are not in Gods Kingdom, to teach contrary to this is calling Jesus a lie. The spiritual scriptures are for those that are spiritual, not for babes or for the dogs who pick out scriptures to use to bring their point across for this is what Satan did in the garden and to Jesus in wilderness. So to add a logically unsound carnal reason to God’s spiritual word is blasphemy and adultery.”

My answer: In your words you are implicitly saying that church is not important in identifying the true religion. It is true that true worshippers worship God in spirit and in truth and that true worshipers should worship God in spirit and truth – John 4:23 – 24. If true worship cannot be identified through a true religion then how come God can call his own nation as his true worshipers separate from the false religions? Actually, the church or congregation is important in identifying the true religion because Jesus is the foundation of the rock in which he taught the true teachings of the word of God – Matthew 21:42; Ephesians 2:20. It is through the foundation of the church which is the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23; Colossians 1:18) the true teachings was set on. The question is how can the true worshipers of God be identified if they do not identify themselves as the true religion? Remember, Paul talked about different sects before which means different groups against the true group. Even Paul himself belongs to a sect before called Judaism – Acts 25:26; Galatians 1:13. In Galatians 1:13 Paul himself admitted that he persecuted the church or congregation of God. Thus, a true religion is identified through a true congregation of God. I believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses is the true congregation of God and that they are the only true religion.

The next lengthy paragraphs of yours are your personal opinion or experience. I cannot conclude if your statement is really from yours or it was only a craft from someone’s personal belief or experience. That is why I need to know your religion because it seems your identity crosses to at least three different religions.

The commentator said: “Your mistaken, the bible does not say that there is an earthly resurrection. The people who are raised on the earth after the 1000 year reign are raised at the white throne of Christ for Judgment and after they have been judged righteous, they are resurrected (Rev 20:11-14) to the earth. Note the scripture, they are raised AFTER the thousand year reign and just before Satan and death, at Armageddon. The Born Again Christians get the prize of being raised before Armageddon, the remainder of the world is raised for judgement at Armageddon after Satan and death are swallowed and throne in the Lake of Fire and the unbeleivers and the dogs go with them. Those in the first resurrection do not have to have their deeds named because they are covered with the blood. These are the ones who accepted Christ as their redeemer. They go to the Heavenly Jerusalem. The second resurrections is for those that did not accept Christ as God and their savior. Since they did not accept him and let the blood cover them, the book is opened and they are judged by their deeds. Those that are born again are sealed, so that they are saved from death, the non born again people from the beginning of time, will be judged.”

My answer: There is no resurrection after 1000 years. Revelation 20:6 speaks of resurrection for heavenly life who will be priests of God and Jesus and  be kings in heaven and will rule on earth for 1000 years (Revelation 5:9 – 10). To whom will they rule and why they will rule on earth? This gives an answer now as to the reason why resurrection will takes place after Armageddon. 1 Corinthians 6:2 and Revelation 20:4 states that this heavenly rulers (the 144K) will judge the people on earth and that is why they are going to rule on earth for the fulfillment of Isaiah 65:20 during 1000 years.  You said Satan and his demons will be killed after Armageddon and so the judgment to all people will take place and the righteous will be resurrected to live on earth. It is not possible since Revelation 20:2, 7 tells that after Armageddon, Satan and his demons will be put into prison for 1000 years first and after 1000 years he will be freed and deceived nations in the four corners of the world so therefore it means all nations will come for a final test. It cannot be first resurrection of righteous people on earth then after Satan and his demons destroyed after 1000 years another resurrection for the wicked takes place. It is not possible because it was said in Acts 24:15 that there will be a resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous. During 1000 years resurrected people will have to prove until the final test that they are deserving of eternal life (See Isaiah 65:20 and the preceding and following verses of it which will happen during 1000 years). The proof that first resurrection (heavenly life) takes place in the time of presence (parousia) of Jesus as what stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:23 and not after Armageddon is also in Revelation 6:9 – 11.In this verse, the resurrected people (some of 144K) are in heaven already and are waiting for the time of God to take actions against the wicked people on earth which is on Armageddon. We see that there are people resurrected already before Armageddon comes and that is the time of presence of Jesus which starts after he became as appointed king by God in heaven in 1914 – Daniel 2:44. Now, what about Revelation 20:12 – 15, should we say that this will happen after the second resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous and so there is a resurrection of the wicked ones after 1000 years or the resurrection takes place after 1000 years? No. Remember the words of Jesus when he said to fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (Matthew 10:28). Plus the fact that there is a resurrection after Armageddon. Read Revelation 20:5. TAKE NOTE: THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE NOT RESURRECTED. THE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE AS I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE RESURRECTED PEOPLE WHO DID NOT COME TO REAL LIFE AFTER 1000 YEARS. THEY ARE THE ONES MISLED BY SATAN AFTER 1000 YEARS AND DISOBEYED GOD’S WILL. If someone may not believe on this, still the text shows that there are other people who did not resurrect until 1000 years. The same thought can be seen in Daniel 12:2 which states, ”And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence.” However, the Jehovah’s Witnesses explained that this is in spiritual sense. If someone will take this literally, then therefore NOT ALL will be resurrected since the word used is only ”many”. The same thought applies to Revelation 20:5 which said that the other dead are not resurrected until 1000 years is over meaning in spiritual sense they did not able to come to real life after 1000 years. They were not able to surpass with the final test done by Satan and his demons.

Thus, the wicked ones are not in Hades but in Gehenna who will not have resurrection. The ones in Hades are the ones who will have chance to resurrect just as what stated in verse 13. If someone will say that these (verse13) are wicked and is believing the second resurrection (after Armageddon) applies to both righteous and unrighteous (the ones who did not come to know the truth), then it would violate the words in verse 13 that the dead were gave up by hades and sea meaning there are righteous persons in hades who will be resurrected. The words “those dead” does includes both “righteous and unrighteous” so it is impossible to say that wicked will be resurrected after 1000 years but instead there will be resurrection of both “righteous and unrighteous (the ones who have not come to know the truth)” after Armageddon and not the resurrection of the wicked anymore. Therefore, Hades and sea will gave up its dead people after Armageddon happens and that during 1000 years people will have full knowledge about Jehovah (Isaiah 11:9) and completely know the righteousness of Jehovah and that after 1000 years, Satan and his demons will attack God’s nation for a final test. Finally, the salvation once more will be acquired by the righteous people on earth when God will destroy all people who will disobey his will including Satan and his demons and that means the second death.

I hope it helps clear the things you mention.



(Understanding the True Concept of Resurrection and Judgment)


Most religions around the world believe on a literal sense of eternal punishment – that is tormenting the wicked people in hell or in the lake of fire. Let us see what verses in the Bible are used by them to conclude that wicked people are subject to punish in hell.

Revelation 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. – TNIV

Revelation 20:15 All whose names were not found written in the book of life were thrown into the lake of fire. – TNIV

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

First let us see Revelation 20:14. It says that death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. What do we mean by death? In an Encarta dictionary death is define as:

death [deth](plural deaths)noun

1. end of being alive: the ending of all vital functions or processes in an organism or cell
2. way of dying: a manner of dying

  • an easy death
3. somebody’s dying: an instance of somebody’s dying
4. end of something: the destruction or extinction of something
5. condition of being dead: the condition or quality of being deadFrom the meaning above it is clear that death is the end of being alive. And we know that when a person dies he knows nothing and feels nothing – Ecclessiastes 9:5, 10. Thus death can mean also as end of life of a living thing. Let us see the definition of die in the dictionary.

die [dī](past and past participle died, present participle dy·ing, 3rd person present singular dies)verb

1. intransitive verb stop living: to cease to be alive (refers to a person, plant, or animal)
2. intransitive verb stop existing: to cease to exist, especially gradually
3. intransitive verb stop working: to stop functioning.

Die means to stop living or to stop existing which is also the same as end of life or end of living.
These two words are closely the same. Now, we are going to see some verses from the Bible that tells about the wicked to be destroyed by God.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth that now exist are being preserved by the same command of God, in order to be destroyed by fire. They are being kept for the day when godless people will be judged and destroyed. – TEV (emphasized added; for reasoning about the earth which will not be destroyed see the following links below.)

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to do what he has promised, as some think. Instead, he is patient with you, because he does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants all to turn aways from their sins. – TEV

Matthew 10:28 And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna). – Amplified

Psalm 92:9 9 For, look! your enemies, O Jehovah,
For, look! your own enemies will perish;
All the practicers of what is hurtful will be separated from one another.

Psalms 37:38 But all sinners will be destroyed; the future of the wicked will be cut off.- NIV

Let us see the definition of destroy in a dictionary.

de·stroy [di stróy](past and past participle de·stroyed, present participle de·stroy·ing, 3rd person present singular de·stroys)verb

1. transitive and intransitive verb demolish: to demolish something or reduce something to fragments
2. transitive and intransitive verb ruin: to ruin something or make something useless
3. transitive and intransitive verb abolish: to abolish, rescind, or end something
4. transitive verb defeat somebody: to defeat somebody in a crushing way
5. transitive verb kill animal: to kill something or somebody, especially an animal (usually passive)There is no word “destroy” that is used in Hebrew Scriptures which gives a meaning of continuous living but rather an end of life or cease of life. There is no such thing of eternal soul in a body that will depart after the person dies but rather the soul refers the person itself, life itself and animals.

For further explanations of that see this link:

Let us go back to the verses that state the wicked’s punishment in the lake of fire. It was said in Revelation that the death and hades were thrown in the lake of fire. We know that death is not physical in form and that hades means the world of the dead or simply the “grave” [collectively and abstract term] for the mankind which is also not physical in form. Hades is not physical in form but rather it suggests a place where all the dead are being placed. It is not the same as the common cemetery but rather a symbolic place where both righteous and unrighteous are on it when they die (see the context of 1 Samuel 2:6). Hades is the same meaning of Sheol (in Hebrew) and Sheol is described as to be unlimited in its occupancy in it sense (Proverbs 27:20). So how would a symbolic term be tormented in a literal lake of fire? It cannot be. Therefore the lake of fire must be understood in symbolic way also. In fact, the lake of fire means “the second death.” However, it makes the religionists conclude that there is a resurrection for all people whether they are wicked and righteous then after the resurrection, the judgment to each will be given. They base their belief in the verse of John 5:28, 29. However, the prophecy is for the resurrection of righteous and unrighteous (those who did not come to know the truth about Jehovah) – Acts 24:15. The proof that only those who did not reject the truth will come to life again is from John 5:25. It was said by Jesus himself that those “dead” who will respond to his words will live [or be resurrected even when died]. When he was saying these words, he mention that the time is on that time while he was preaching the good news of kingdom to people thus the word “dead” is referring to spiritually dead on his time who listen to his words about the Good News of Kingdom. Spiritually dead can be seen in these Biblical texts: Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2:13; 1 Timothy 5:6; 1 Peter 4:6. Therefore, from Jesus words those “dead” [spiritually dead] who will listen to truth will live.

John 5:28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. – NASB

We should note that in the first phrase all who are in the tombs (not in GEHENNA but only in Sheol or Hades) will come forth then after that they will be judged according to their new deeds that is if they are for eternal life or for eternal death.

Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. – NASB

There is a verse in the Bible that speaks that a person is committing a sin because of the Law. The LAW was made because of transgressions thus those who had knew the law and acted against it are committing a sin. Therefore, to those who did not know the Law of God even they have done bad things before, they MAY get a chance to live again because of the ignorance of the law. However, we should also know that right thinking and conscience dictates the person if he’s doing is bad. Thus even in the Bible not mention some things which are bad to health just for example smoking and taking prohibited drugs, it is also committing a sin. Even the LAW was not yet made to them they can certainly know what is good and bad through their conscience – the ability to know what is right and wrong. (Romans 2:12 – 16) Another example is gambling. Though there are no commands against this in the Bible, this thing is also a bad thing.  Since Adam and Eve were made perfect there would be no reason to give them a law. The only law which is commanded to them is not to eat the forbidden fruit that represents the authority of God. However, the couple broke the commandment and thus they violates the authority of God.

Acts 24:15 and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. – NWT

They thought all kinds of people will be resurrected subject to two kinds of judgment – eternal punishment or eternal life. That is why people misinterpreted some Bible translations with the words “wicked” in this verse as to be resurrected also. But what does the Bible really teach? How are we going to interpret the two said verses? First, let us quote Luke 12:5.

Luke 12:5 I will show you whom to fear: fear God, who after killing, has the authority to throw into hell. Believe me, he is the one you must fear! – TEV

It says that after God kills a person he can throw it into hell (Gehenna). Would it mean the dead body decays and the soul or spirit in his body punish in eternal fire? Again, let us quote again from the Bible the verses which may happen on a spirit and soul.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins shall die… 20 The soul that sins shall die.– RSV

Ecclesiastes 3:19 – 21; 19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath [a]; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?” – TNIV


  1. Ecclesiastes 3:19 Or spirit

Ecclesiastes 12:7 “the spirit itself returns to the true God who gave it.”

Psalm 146:4 His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.

Psalms 104:29  If you conceal your face, they get disturbed.
If you take away their spirit, they expire, And back to their dust they go.

Thus the spirit is a special thing given to every human. It goes back to God when the person dies. It is the force of life. It gives power to life. When the spirit of a man was taken out by God then consequently, he dies. His life (soul) goes out and gone just as what happen to Rachel in Genesis 35:18.  So how would we view the lake of fire as second death and not as literal? Remember, there are verses in the Bible that some people will not resurrect. Let us read them. Please see other English translations of these verses.

Isaias 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up. Therefore you have turned your attention that you might annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.

Jeremiah 51:39 “When they are heated I shall set their banquets and I will make them drunk, in order that they may exult; and they must sleep an indefinitely lasting sleep, from which they will not wake up,” is the utterance of Jehovah.

Job 14:12 Man also has to lie down and does not get up.
Until heaven is no more they will not wake up,
Nor will they be aroused from their sleep.

Would it mean that this is not literal? If not literal what is this mean? Remember Job prayed to Jehovah to remember him by God if he died and be in Sheol and is hoping to resurrect him by God. Thus, what he mean in Job 14:12 is that there are people who will die and will not resurrect again. His words about heaven that will disappear indicates that the wicked people will not be resurrected even if the physical heaven vanish (though it is impossible) that is to imply the status of the dead wicked people which is not to be resurrected and so as heavens is impossible to vanish so as to the resurrection of the wicked people are impossible.

Job 14:13 O that in She´ol you would conceal me,
That you would keep me secret until your anger turns back,
That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!

Thus, Job believes in resurrection. Verse 14 shows that he was really hoping for his resurrection if ever he will die.

Consider also Revelation 20:5 which states “The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over.” – TEV

In the book of Jehovah’s Witnesses published by the Watchtower explaining the book of Revelation they said that this is spiritual in sense thus claiming that these are resurrected people who did not come to succeed in having eternal life thus they died during 1000 years (See Isaiah 65:20 and the preceding and following verses of it) or after 1000 years because they did not continue to follow God’s will. Thus these are dead ones who are resurrected and given a chance to know about Jehovah and the truth yet they did not continue to live until 1000 year is over because they have refused to follow the will of God. They were punished and died and did not receive the gift of eternal life. What about the wicked people who died before Armageddon and who are against the will of God? They are in Gehenna – a symbolic place for the wicked people who really disobeyed God’s will as Jesus told in his words. Gehenna comes from the word “Valley of Hinnom” in Hebrew Scriptures which it is described as a place where the trash, dead animals and criminals were being thrown out and burn with sulphuric fire.  What does the second death means? If some people will not resurrect then definitely they won’t have second death literally. Those who are not found in the book of life are thrown in the lake of fire. In addition to this, those who did not resurrect are not found in the book of life thus they are thrown in the lake of fire but it says that the lake of fire is the second death however, they did not resurrect (based on the Biblical proofs above). Therefore, it would mean that the second death is symbolic in nature. It would only mean that the chance of living again to let them prove themselves for the gift of eternal life has been cut off. They are not given by God a chance to live forever. Remember Satan and his demons will cast into the lake of fire even they did not die for once. How would the second death be given a meaning for them? It is through saying that they will be cut off and ceased forever. The verse are very clear – wicked (those who oppose the will of God) will not resurrect again. Jesus told to fear the One who can kill the body and soul (life) in Gehenna. How can a soul be killed by God if it is eternal as most people believe? It says God can kill(destroy) both body and soul (life). Remember Ezekiel 18:4 and 20 that the soul who is sinning will die. Thus Jehovah is the One who can give back the life of one person if ever he is deserving to be resurrected. So what would mean by eternal fire?

In Jude 7 fire symbolizes as to eternal destruction “So too Sod´om and Go·mor´rah and the cities about them, after they in the same manner as the foregoing ones had committed fornication excessively and gone out after flesh for unnatural use, are placed before [us] as a [warning] example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.” – NWT

We do not see anymore the fire that came to Sodom and Gomorra yet it is said that they have a punishment of everlasting fire. In Luke 17:29 Jesus told Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. Consider this verse also.

Isaiah 34:9 And her torrents must be changed into pitch, and her dust into sulphur; and her land must become as burning pitch. 10 By night or by day it will not be extinguished; to time indefinite its smoke will keep ascending. From generation to generation she will be parched; forever and ever no one will be passing across her.

If this would mean literally then verse 11, 13, 14 and 15 of the same chapter would not be true. Owls, ravens and vultures will live there forever, if not now then on the coming paradise. (Isaiah 34:16, 17)

It is therefore to conclude that fire symbolizes a total destruction or not existing anymore of someone or something. Another text proof can be found on Isaiah 66:24. It says on this text that the dead bodies of the wicked will eat by worms that will never die and the fire that burns the dead bodies will never be put out. Do you think it is possible? How can a worm be survived on a literal fire and not die and a physical body which doesn’t melt on fire and continue to be burned by a literal fire? How can fire burn them forever when in fact wicked people are all over the world? It was said that survived people will look at the dead bodies of the wicked people. Would it mean that in every place of earth there would be a fire that will last forever? That’s impossible as for the “new earth” that will possess by God’s people. This earth will restore again. It will become a paradise. Righteous and meek people will inherit the earth (Proverbs 2:21, 22; Psalms 37:9-11, 29)

See the link below for additional information about Soul and Hell.

NOTE: There is no single term in the Bible that discusses “immortal soul” or “immortal spirit” that will depart in the body and will be tormented in the lake of fire. “Destroy” and “death” means inexistence or cease of life.

Psalms 9:17 Wicked people will turn back to She´ol,
Even all the nations forgetting God.

When someone dies it returns to dust and is normally in Sheol in its sense. Thus, what it implies is that the wicked people will return to dust just as the human were made of dust.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10

5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.  10 All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She´ol, the place to which you are going.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, God [Jehovah] is love – 1 John 4:8. If his quality is love then why would he punish for eternal time those who did not follow his will? There are only two options in our life – to follow God’s will and live forever or to reject’s God’s will and die forever. Jehovah did not come up to feel on his heart of punishing a person on a literal fire – Jeremiah 7:31. What more for punishing one in eternal fire on eternal time.

Jeremiah 7:31 And they have built the high places of To´pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’

JEHOVAH did not come to think of putting a person on a literal fire. IT DOES NOT COME UP INTO HIS HEART.

For additional information about soul and spirit please see the link from the Watchtower’s site.