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TITUS 2:13 – ONE IDENTITY OR TWO IDENTITIES

TITUS 2:13

NWT:   13 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus,

TNIV:   13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

KJV:      13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

NASB:  13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

DISCUSSION:

Trinitarians insist that NWT is again faulty here because of insertion of the word “the” which makes God and Jesus as two distinct persons. They use Isaiah 43:11 as a proof that since Jesus is also called as a savior also such as in Luke 2:11 and John 4:42, they conclude that Jehovah and Jesus are coequal. Isaiah 43:11 says, “I, even I, am the Lord [Yahweh], and apart from me there is no savior.” However, those statements should not be treated as they are equal persons. Jude 1:25 clearly states that Jehovah is the savior through Jesus Christ. How we are going to understand this? The word “through” has also the same as by, by way of or by means of. Obviously, when using the word “by means of” as substitute terms for “through” this could lead to this statement: Jehovah is the savior by means of Jesus. Although, the latter statement may sounds like as not as good as the first statement, still we could clearly see that it delivers the same meaning i.e. Jehovah gave his son Jesus the authority to be the savior of mankind in relation to his will. But, to some point of view of some critics, they might say that Jehovah is the savior in the person of Jesus. However, this couldn’t be possible. If we are going to modify the statement by using the exact thinking of these critics we could possibly restate the statement as “Jehovah is the savior in the person of Jesus Christ” which I truly believe not in parallel with the original statement. Trinitarians of course can say that it can be possible but from the point of view of the writer of this verse, he is definitely aware of the distinction of Jehovah and Jesus and nowhere in the Greek Scriptures uses the words “in the person of Jesus” by those writers. This is really a raising issue that if the Greek writers really believe that Jehovah comes in the person of Jesus, they would use at least the possible Greek terms that would identify Jehovah’s coming in the person of Jesus. Contrary to that, these Greek writers clearly identify Jehovah and Jesus as separate individuals. Though some critics insist of some verses that points their equality like the words “the Word is God” and “the Father and I are one” still, it does not validate the statements because of the following verses on it that point out or clearly suggest their distinction. What I am trying to say is, if Jesus is really Jehovah then why there is no literal claim from Jesus himself and from his apostles that he is really God (the Almighty) – that is saying that Jehovah is in the person of Jesus. To have an illustration of this, an actor can say he is portraying a character in the person of that name. This is the same as he with his own real name is portraying another character in a role with a screen name. Thus, he leaves his present identity to portray another character in a role. This didn’t happen with Jesus. All of his life on earth he addressed his Father and prayed to him. This is in contrast with the truth that Jesus was sent by Jehovah to be the savior of the world – 1 John 4:14 and that Jehovah exalted Jesus on his right hand to be the Leader and Savior of the people – Acts 5:31.

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MATTHEW 14:33 (and among others) – worship or obeisance?

MATTHEW 14:33

NWT:     33 Then those in the boat did obeisance to him, saying: “You are really God’s Son.”

TNIV:     33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

KJV:       33Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

NASB:      33And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”

DISCUSSION:

The Greek word used for the verse is “proskyneo” (some use proskuneo) which can be transliterated as to “worship” or “obeisance”. The two words can also be defined as “giving a homage” or simply showing a respect, however “worship” means much more. It involves praying to the only God and claiming that he is the only true God. NWT critics and Trinitarians question why almost all Bible versions used the word “worship” to this particular verse unlike in NWT. Since the NWT translators believe that Jesus is not to be worshipped but rather worship should only be given to Jehovah alone and so the translators did it. How did the NWT translators say it so? In Matthew 4:8 – 10, Jesus told to Satan that Jehovah is the only one that should be worshipped and he quoted it from Deuteronomy 6:13 or Deuteronomy 10:20. If Jesus is God that should be worshipped then eventually he have just told to Satan that Satan must be the one to worship him. If Jesus wants to identify himself in the third person (as what claims by Trinitarians), then it must come to know to Satan that he is God and so why would Satan asked Jesus to worship him if Jesus is the God who created everything including him? It would be awkward to Jesus as if he is God who created everything yet commanded by his only created being to bow and worship on him. It would be a great insult to Jesus (if he is God) and a foolishness of Satan to express that to Jesus if Jesus is God. Satan addressed Jesus as “if you are the Son of God” and not as if Jesus is God. Would this mean he really don’t know the identity of Jesus or is he confused as to who is Jesus? Certainly no. Trinitarians insist Jesus as God and claimed they truly know God what more could it be for Satan to know as to who is Jesus to distingiush from God when he (Satan) read also Scriptures as a way of testing Jesus and it could be a definitely way for him to identify God and Jesus because of one that he might read in Exodus 33:20 which I think cannot perceive by the Trinitarians and that is no one can see God. And the best proof is that he had seen before the separateness of Jesus and Jehovah when he is with them in heaven. So there is no reason to doubt as Jesus is not God but rather the Son of God. That is why he addressed him “if you are the Son of God” not “if you are God”. Thus, when Jesus (as man) answered Satan, that only Jehovah is worthy of worship, he really meant it that way. In the verse above, if Jesus (as man) was really worship by the people and Jesus did not rebuke any person then he is lying to himself, to Satan, to the person itself and to Jehovah in relation to his words to Satan. Therefore, NWT translators used the word “do obeisance” and not “worship” in many texts in reference to Jesus (as man) to show that Jesus was only given a homage or respect by many people. How about the word “worship” to other texts in the Bible that refers to other identities? NWT is not biased. The word “worship” on other texts shows that those identities that refer to it are being worship (i.e. praying and trusting to it) by some people and not only as by giving respect or homage. However, when Jesus exalted to his position by his Father, God commanded all the angels to worship Jesus – Hebrews 1:6. The Watchtower explained that they applied the word worship in reference to Jesus because he was already exalted by his Father and all the authority was given to him on heaven and on earth. What Jesus (as man) proved that he is not worthy of worship and that only his Father deserved it, is when he said that he did not come to be served but to serve – Matthew 20:28. In his words he is showing that he as a one sent by God and as a man on that time, he is not worthy to be praised or worship by the people at that time. This is in relation to his words in John 5:41 in which he said he don’t seek praise from the people. In dictionary, the word “praise” means expression of approval or admiration and worship. Since Jesus (as man) doesn’t want to be praised then he of course is saying that he is not worthy of worship from man and this is true when he said in Mark 10:18 that only God is good and not even himself. Two from among many verses that proves Jehovah and Jesus are distinct to each other but are present together at the same time can be seen on the verses below.

Daniel 7:13 13 “I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One.

NASB:     13“I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.

This is in relation to Daniel 7:9 “I kept on beholding until there were thrones placed and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white just like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.

Revelation 1:1 1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: – KJV

Notice the verses above. It is clearly stated that Jesus, the Son of Man is appearing in front or in the presence of God.

For in depth discussion about the word “proskyneo” please see the link below.

http://www.thoughts.com/letusreason/blog/proskyneo-always–44398/