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Some Other Verses in the Bible That Used by Trinitarians

Some Other Verses in the Bible That Used by Trinitarians

There are some other verses in the bible that are used by Trinitarians. Among of these are Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8 and John 20:28. In Colossians 2:9, many Trinitarians translated the verse as “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,” – NASB; “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”– KJV; “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,” – NIV; “for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,” – ASV. While, the NWT translated it as “because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” – NWT

The word Deity have a meaning of God, a god, Godhead and Godship. Should we say that Jesus is the God? No. It does not mean automatically that he is God or Jehovah but rather it is in him (Jesus Christ) the full nature of the divine quality [of God] dwells bodily. It is in him the fullness of the divine nature of God can be seen through him. But not the full nature of God is in him and so he is God. We should remember that God who doesn’t die (Habakuk 1:12) is one nature of God which is not seen in Jesus for Jesus was once died for the sins of mankind and Jesus doesn’t know the hour of judgment of God (Matthew 24:36). Another nature of God that is not the same with Jesus is that God is omnipotent (the most powerful one in the universe). God was described as the Almighty God (Genesis 17:1; Revelation 16:7) while Jesus was never addressed with that term but only as a Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6). Other versions translated the word “theotes” for that verse as “Deity” or “Godhead”. A Godhead would mean a head or leader upon a certain group. Jesus is also the head of the church of God – 1 Colossians 1:18 and he is the appointed leader in heaven and on earth in his millennial reign – Revelation 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:24 – 28. Thus he is not God but only the appointed head of God. We can also see in the Bible that Jehovah is the head of Christ – 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Please see the link below about Colossians 2:9.

http://jehovah.to/xlation/theotes.html

What about Hebrews 1:8?

The Greek Interlinear for this verse is originally written but partially as “pros de ton uion o thronos sou o theos eis ton aionatou aionos” ( you can see the actual Greek words in this link:

http://interlinearbible.org/hebrews/1.htm

If we will follow the translation of Trinitarians in Hebrews 1:8, still it violates the phrase on verse 9 where it identifies God [Jehovah] as the God of Jesus whom chosen him from among his companions (the angels). In the book of Reasoning of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hebrews 1:8 may be related to Psalms 45:6 wherein God is said to be the throne of David. This only means that David became the appointed king of Jehovah for God’s people. He sits on behalf of Jehovah before. Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 – 33 clearly point out that Jesus will become king as appointed by Jehovah.

What about John 20:28?

What about John 20:28? Does it mean that because there is an article before the word “God” it has to say that Jesus is God? No. What maybe in the thought of Thomas was Jehovah God. He maybe said it to refer to Jehovah and not for Jesus. However, John who wrote his words thought he was referring to Jehovah God and so he put an article on it to refer it to Jehovah. We must consider the thought of John also and not only the  thought of the speaker of that statement.

Please see the links below:

https://fromthesunrising.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/the-underlying-truth-in-john-11/

https://fromthesunrising.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/about-john-11/

IS JEHOVAH THE SAME PERSON AS JESUS?

Is Jehovah The Same Person as Jesus?

(A discussion about terms applied both to Jehovah and Jesus)

Some terms in the Bible are used to address both to Jehovah and Jesus. These terms are the “savior”, “father”, “first and last” and “lord of lords” and “king of kings”. Let us first study the term “savior” used to address Jehovah in Isaiah 43:11 which states, “I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.

In this verse Jehovah is saying that there is no savior other than him, thus Trinitarians say that since Jesus is also called as “a savior” in Luke 2:11 he is also Jehovah. However, let us compare Isaiah 49:26 in which Jehovah is called as the “Savior” of the Israel wherein in Septuagint interlinear there is an article in the preceding of the word “Savior” and in Luke 2:11 in which Jesus is also called as “a savior” there is no article before the word “savior”. Thus, it is proper to translate it as “a savior” to emphasize that he is not the one and only Savior which is Jehovah but the savior who is appointed by Jehovah. This is in conformity with the text in Jude 1:25 in which Jehovah is said as the Savior but it is only through Jesus Christ. However in KJV it does not have Jesus Christ as acting as the savior on behalf of Jehovah. Thus if we will follow the original Greek translation of this verse (in which Jesus Christ is not written), still the one and only identified as the “savior” is only Jehovah. However, since Jesus is the one sent by Jehovah to be the savior of the world, he is therefore acting as the savior on behalf of Jehovah. A very good proof of this matter which explicitly shows that they are distinct and that Jesus is acting as the savior on behalf of Jehovah is in Acts 5:31 which states, “31 God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.” – NWT

It is clearly said in this verse that Jesus was exalted by his Father and that he was on the right side of God. There would be no valid interpretation of it than to say that Jehovah is separate from Jesus and are both present at particular time.  The Greek text of this verse has no article before the word “Savior” making it as indefinite thus it shows it is not Jehovah and also it is clear in the text that Jehovah exalted him to be the Chief Agent and [the] Savior on his right hand. Consider also Acts 13:23 in which in Greek interlinear it has no article thus NWT renders it as “a savior” and not the savior unlike in other bible versions which renders it as “the savior”. However in John 4:42 and 1 John 4:14 Jesus was identified as to be “the savior” of the world. Should we say that he is the Savior in the Old Testament or he is Jehovah? No. In these verses it only shows that Jehovah sent his son to be “the savior of the world”. Using an article on the Greek text by the writer was valid because Jesus was the one acted as the savior of the world in “physical” sense when he offered his life for the mankind. There is no other savior in the world who came in the world and who acted as the savior of mankind literally. We can see the difference of using the word “savior” to Jesus when he was described in heaven in Philippians 3:20 which states,“But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,”. In this text we can clearly see the carefulness of the writer in addressing Jesus as a “savior” who is being compared with Jehovah as “the savior” of all since both of them are in heaven. We can see an example of this using an article in Titus 1:3 and 1 Timothy 2:3 which identifies Jehovah as “the savior”. A good verse example in the Bible that identifies Jesus as “a savior” is in Isaiah 19:20.

20 And it must prove to be for a sign and for a witness to Jehovah of armies in the land of Egypt; for they will cry out to Jehovah because of the oppressors, and he will send them a savior, even a grand one, who will actually deliver them. – NWT

The original Greek interlinear has no article before the word “man” in which in Bible translations renders it as “a savior”. This clearly identifies that Jesus is a savior on behalf of Jehovah and Jehovah is the only savior.

Another term use both to Jehovah and Jesus is the “Father”. Jehovah is address as the “Father” many times in the Bible both in Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. On the other hand Jesus was once addressed as a “Father” in Isaiah 9:6.

“6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” – NWT

Is it right to say that because of this title used to address to both of them we can say that Jehovah is also Jesus? No. Take note that Abraham was also called the “Father” of all nations and this means he is a father to God’s people. Since Jehovah is the father of all Christians (that is on the time of adoption of men) and those who will be resurrected and be saved should we say that Abraham as he is the father of all nations (God’s people) is also Jehovah? Of course not. Saying Jesus is the Father of Christians is saying also that Abraham is the Father. Abraham was called “the father of all nations” in Genesis 17:4, 5 since through him all the people on earth will be blessed – Genesis 8:18; Genesis 12:3 and Galatians 3:8. Jehovah made a covenant with him that the promise “seed” will come through his descendants and this was Jesus and there are 144, 000 who belong to this seed. They are also called the seeds of Abraham who will have the promise of God of heavenly life – Galatians 3:29.  Therefore, Jesus as a “Father” doesn’t mean that He is the Heavenly Father but rather a father to the congregation of God for he is the head of the church whom appointed by Jehovah. Jesus is called to be as n “Everlasting Father” since it is through him the people on earth will be blessed – Acts 3:25; Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:14. Do you think Abraham could be the father of all nations if the will of God did not happen through Jesus Christ? Abraham became the father of all nations only because of Jesus’ performance who acted in the foundation of the Christian congregation of God. It was through Jesus Christ the foundation of the congregation of God was established. Just as the head of the house – the father is also concern with his children and thus he feeds them and provides them everything they need. Jesus as the head of the congregation of God provides spiritual foods through his faithful and discreet slaves and provides them physical needs through his name in relation to the requests of the Christians to his Father. Moreover, Jesus is a father to all Jehovah’s Witnesses (after the final salvation) since it is through him the salvation for them is assured and the blessings for them came after. Jesus is a father since he let feed God’s people with right instructions and words of God as well as those people who are not yet part of the congregation of God but have chance to enter into it.

Another term used to address to both of them is “first” and “last”. Jehovah used this term to identify himself in Isaiah 44:6 which states, “This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.”

While the text that identifies Jesus as the “first” and “last” is in Revelation 1:17 – 18 and Revelation 2:8. Since Jesus died as a man before therefore all Christianity agreed that this is Jesus however, since he is also called as “the first and last” the same descriptions to Jehovah in Isaiah 44:6, then Trinitarians concluded that they are one or coequal. However, this cannot be true since in Revelation 3:21 Jehovah and Jesus were identified as separate individuals who are both present at the same time. This is a proof from among many verses in the bible that identifies Jesus who is in the right side of Jehovah. So definitely Jesus is not Jehovah. He is called “first” since he is the first creation of Jehovah – 1 Colossians 1:15, 17 – 18. He is “first” – the beginning of all creation of Jehovah as he was described in Proverbs 8:22 – 23. Some bible versions translated verse 22 as the wisdom [the personification of Jesus] which was not created but possessed by God showing it is an eternal nature of God which is present in him. This is not true since verse 23 in their versions and in NWT suggests that this “wisdom” was established by Jehovah and all the terms used by other bible versions shows the same meaning of producing and forming it which is really synonymous to the word “created”. That is why this wisdom was called the master worker or craftsman who is being delight with his Father and who is beside of the Father. Can wisdom as nature of God can have delight to God and act as a master worker or craftsman who is beside of God? It cannot be possible unless the wisdom is a person. Jesus is also the “first” since he was the first one resurrected from dead who have eternal life in heaven and he is the one whom Jehovah appointed to be first in all things both in heaven and on earth. But this doesn’t mean he is Jehovah who is above everything. In 1 Corinthians 15:24 – 28 Jesus was described as the king who will hand over his kingdom to his God. Verse 25 clearly stated that God made him the king to put all God’s enemies under his feet but verse 27 and 28 clearly reveals that Jesus will subject himself to his God so that the God may be above in all. Thus in this verse it shows he is the “last” – the last person who will have the highest authority with everything in heaven and on earth and that he is also the last person who will subject himself to God and who will turn over his kingdom to the only true God.

What about the word “lord of lords” and “king of kings” which were used both to Jehovah (1 Timothy 6:15 – 16) and Jesus (Revelation 19:16)? Do these verses prove that they are one and coequal? No. Even Nebuchadnezzar was also called as “king of kings” in Daniel 2:37 but this doesn’t mean he is literally the king of all the other kings on earth. This only means that he is the most powerful king on earth on that time thus in his dream which was explained by Daniel that he (symbolizes by a tree in Daniel 4:4 – 37) is the most powerful on that time yet his kingdom will be taken away from him and this happened when he got sick mentally because he became too proud of himself however, he got back his power and kingdom when he recognized Jehovah as his God and humble himself in the eyes of God. This suggests also the same in reference to Jesus. He is the “king of kings” and “lord of lords” on the time it was given to him by Jehovah but Jehovah will be the King of all and Lord of all when Jesus subject himself to the God Almighty – 1 Corinthians 15:24 – 28.

AN OLD EXPOSITION ABOUT THE DIVINE NAME

The Name of God: Should We Used it or Not?

(An Old Exposition about the Name of God)

Most religions in Christianity believe that LORD and God are enough to address the God Almighty. For them, since the Christian Greek Scriptures or the New Testament (from which they claim the manuscripts found were original) has no name of God but rather only Lord and God and so they say it is proper and acceptable to call God in that way. These religions are deliberately criticizing the Jehovah’s Witnesses for using Jehovah as the name of God. For them it is a false and an invented name and an improper way of addressing God. However, despite of this, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are still upholding for their faith using the name Jehovah as the name of God. Some questions the Jehovah’s Witnesses as if why Jehovah is only the acceptable name of God. The Watchtower is claiming that Jehovah is the only acceptable name for God since they believe that they are the true God’s nation and they assert that the name they call upon is the appropriate and the only name of God which is in the true congregation of God. Thus, whoever believes in their presented biblical doctrines then they have to accept this name. For how can you accept the true teachings of the true God through his true congregation and yet denying the name of God that they call upon? On the other hand, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are using many different forms of name of God that differs in pronunciation. You can check those forms of name in  https://fromthesunrising.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/the-divine-name/ Moreover, the name Yahweh is recognized by the Watchtower because it is also a possible name of God because it contains the tetragrammaton (YHWH). The Watchtower had accepted the use of the name Jehovah as the name of God since this is the name that is being used and was common to the people as early as in the 14th century and is being written in some literatures by early writers before. While the name Yahweh originated only in 19th century. Some would say, “Since the Watchtower recognize Yahweh, it is also possible to use other names that have tetragrammaton.” While other claims it is possible to call God as Jahveh or Yahveh, still I believe the Watchtower believes in only one name of God just as what Zechariah 14:9 states. So we cannot just accept other names for God especially when the tetragrammaton is not in the formed name of God. Others say Jehovah’s Witnesses is uncertain in the right pronunciation of the original name of God so it is not also proper to say or use Jehovah. That is not a big problem in addressing God. Many names in the Bible differ in some languages. As I have said lately, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are using many different forms of name of God according to their own language. They may differ in pronunciation yet it is all the same in English translation of the name of God which is Jehovah. Others say Yahweh is more correct since it has all the tetragrammaton (YHWH) unlike Jehovah which has JHVH. The Modern Hebrew alphabet does not have Y and W now. It has changed to J and V. For Hebrew Alphabet and Modern Hebrew Alphabet please see this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet#The_alphabet

We all know that some names in Hebrew Bible starts with Y such as Yeshayahu, Yeremeyahu, Ya’akov, Yonah, Yonathan (not quite sure with this) and others were translated as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jacob, Jonah and Jonathan in English translation respectively. But we accept all of these translations having  no problem in dealing with these names. Jesus was written as Iesous in Greek and it was believed by many scholars and was accepted by many religions in Christianity that it maybe pronounced as Yeshua or Yehoshua in Hebrew and since this is true we accept the name of Jesus in our Bible translations having no problem on how it was pronounced before. The names in the Bible were written in different languages. Malachi is Malakias in Tagalog. Isaiah is Isaias in Tagalog, Peter is Pedro, John is Juan, Stephen is Esteban and James is Santiago (which is quite so far from English) in Tagalog. All of these names in Tagalog are accepted by Filipino. In other countries they also render these names according to their own language. So what’s the problem in pronouncing the name of God in different ways? We all accept it because of our faith and believe in the identity and personality of the carrier of that name. So why questions the name Jehovah? The question that should be asked by all is should we not use the name of God? The answer can be found in Romans 10:13.

Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” – NWT

13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” – TNIV

Joel 2:31 – 32

31 The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah. 32 And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling.” – NWT

31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the LORD will be saved
;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the LORD has said,
even among the survivors
whom the LORD calls. – TNIV

The original Hebrew texts contain the Divine Name for that verses that is why NWT has the name Jehovah. It is said that all people who is calling the name of God will be saved. Is only by calling the name of God assures our salvation? No. It is clear in James 2:26 that faith without works is dead. Faith without works is useless. It is like having wisdom yet not applying the truth or righteousness in your life. Wisdom alone cannot save us. But what matters to God is the love. The love for the truth and love for God. The love for the truth is the love for accurate knowledge about the word of God and the love for God is to follow his commands – 1 John 5:3. When you follow his commands then you follow his will and following his will means righteousness. And what is his will concerning his name? We are all required to praise him. All living things are required to praise God – Psalms 150:6. How are going to praise God? Of course the first way is to praise him through his name. Read Psalms 148:1 – 14.

Psalms 148:1-14

Praise Jah, YOU people!
Praise Jehovah from the heavens,
Praise him in the heights.

2 Praise him, all YOU his angels.
Praise him, all YOU his army.

3 Praise him, YOU sun and moon.
Praise him, all YOU stars of light.

4 Praise him, YOU heavens of the heavens,
And YOU waters that are above the heavens.

5 Let them praise the name of Jehovah;
For he himself commanded, and they were created.

6 And he keeps them standing forever, to time indefinite.
A regulation he has given, and it will not pass away.

7 Praise Jehovah from the earth,
YOU sea monsters and all YOU watery deeps,

8 YOU fire and hail, snow and thick smoke,
You tempestuous wind, accomplishing his word,

9 YOU mountains and all YOU hills,
YOU fruit trees and all YOU cedars,

10 YOU wild animals and all YOU domestic animals,
YOU creeping things and winged birds,

11 YOU kings of the earth and all YOU national groups,
YOU princes and all YOU judges of the earth,

12 YOU young men and also YOU virgins,
YOU old men together with boys.

13 Let them praise the name of Jehovah,
For his name alone is unreachably high.
His dignity is above earth and heaven.

14 And he will exalt the horn of his people,
The praise of all his loyal ones,
Of the sons of Israel, the people near to him.
Praise Jah, YOU people!

Take note verse 5 and 13. What does it says? God calls us to praise his name. There are other verses in the Bible that required human to praise the name of God.  Back to Romans 10:13. In other versions it is only “call upon the name of the Lord” but what name should we call upon? When Paul wrote Romans 10:13, he quoted it from Joel 2:32 however, take a look of verse 31. When this is about to happen? It is in the coming Armageddon – on the Great Day of Jehovah. It was said that all who is calling upon the name Jehovah will be saved. Thus, we really need a name for God to call upon for us to have salvation. In addition to this, Psalms 68:4 provides us that Jah (YH = י ה , read backwards) is a short form of the name of God. You can see it in the original translation of KJV. The name Jehovah can be found also in Psalms 83:18 in KJV and Ang Dating Biblia or Ang Biblia. Thus, looking the name Jah in Hebrew Scriptures with tetragrammaton we can see that it has YH. All the names Jah and Jehovah in Hebrew Scriptures which can be found in Interlinear Bible corresponds from proper characters in Hebrew Scriptures for the name of God i.e. YH (

י ה

)and the tetragrammaton YHWH (

י ה ו ה

) How come Jehovah’s Witnesses is sure of the name Jah? It is because in the book of Revelation in the New Testament there is a word Aleluia in Greek which is the same as Halleluyah in Hebrew and when translated in English it becomes Hallelujah which means praise Jah (see Revelation 19:1,3 from NWT and other bible versions). “Hallelujah” or “praise God” is accepted by Christianity. Since Jesus was Iesous in Greek and might be pronounce his name in Hebrew as Yeshua of Yehoshua which has Y in the beginning of his name then it is also true that Jah is a translation of Yah which is Ia in Greek. Thus the last two letters in Allelouia in Greek language [IA] (wherein there is no letter H) was really from Ya which is also Yah. How sure that Ia is Yah? Notice if we are going to see again Psalms 68:4 which has a short form of a name of God which is (

י ה

)  we can also be sure that Ia (Ya) is really Yah because in all short form of names of God in Hebrew it has two characters which is YH. The J and V as modern translation of Y and W in Hebrew was formed now in the name Jehovah. While YH becomes JH in modern Hebrew Alphabet. Thus Jah (Yah) from YH is really the actual and correct and UNDENIABLE short form of the name of God.  Actually, there are early manuscripts that shows the IAW as the name of God in Greek which when dividing the letters will become IA – W and that is Ya (Yah) and W. Thus we may have YHW which was written in early inscriptions in stone in one particular area. I remember I have read an article that this name came from the people called Shasou or Shosou. This article is dated on May 1, 2010.Many scholars believe that this is the name of God.

Psalms 83:18

18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. – KJV

18 Upang kanilang maalaman na ikaw lamang, na ang pangalan ay JEHOVA, ay Kataastaasan sa buong lupa. – Ang Dating Biblia o Ang Biblia

See this link   http://adb.scripturetext.com/psalms/83.htm

Psalms 68:4

4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. – KJV

Revelation 19:1, 3

1 After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah, YOU people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God,

3 And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah, YOU people! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.” – NWT

1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

3And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. – KJV

1After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God;

Please see the link below that shows the original writing in Greek of the word “hallelujah”.

http://interlinearbible.org/revelation/19.htm

2BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE HAS AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS BOND-SERVANTS ON HER.”

3And a second time they said, “Hallelujah! HER SMOKE RISES UP FOREVER AND EVER.” – NASB

Please see the following links below for further reading concerning the name of God.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/na/index.htm

http://www.watchtower.org/e/na/index.htm

The word hallelujah was taken from Hebrew word halleluyah wherein the word hallelu means praise followed by YH which is Yah. You can check Psalms 150 in the link below to see the word hallelujah.

http://interlinearbible.org/psalms/150.htm

Notice the other word praise (hallelu) which is also in this link and is connected in the word hallelujah.