John 10:16 “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. – NWT

John 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. – NASB

It is clear from the words of Jesus that he has people who doesn’t belong to his fold or pen. When Jesus spoke these terms he was talking to his apostles at that time. He said he will bring them [the other sheep] too and they will become one flock. So definitely, on the time he is saying it he meant that there are other sheep (other Christians on that time) which do not belong on that fold. His words “not on this fold” literally means that there are other sheep (Christians) not on a particular fold (the little flock) because he said “they will become one flock” – meaning separated from the little flock he mentioned first. That is really true because he said that only little flock will be on heaven. If one will say that these other sheep are not yet the ones in the congregation of God and that will be in that flock at proper time then it violates the statement that they will become one flock and separated from the little flock. In order to say that this means the people outside the congregation of God that will be on the flock then the writing must written it as “they will be on flock” or “they will be on the same flock”. We could really understand the word as while there are sheep which belongs to the little flock, there are also other sheep that belongs to another fold which will become one flock because if there are another flock mention then it would mean also that the little flock (which are also Christians) is separated from another flock that will become one flock. And so there are two groups of Christians that becomes two flocks and two folds and that violates the teachings of the other religions. If the little flock is in one fold and the other sheep is said not to be on that fold and that they will become one flock not on the flock mention first then obviously they are not inside the fold of the flock mention first but of another flock. That is why those who are in another fold were mentioned as the “great crowd” in Revelation which their hope is to live eternally on earth and not in heaven.

Luke 12:32 “Have no fear, little flock, because YOUR Father has approved of giving YOU the kingdom.”

Is this only applied to early Christians before? Let us study the verse below.

Luke 22:2″The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 14 For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

Is this refers to all the people on earth that is invited on the time of Jesus up to this date and few have chosen to be saved? No. Verse 14 shows the word “many” not “all” so definitely it is not all the people on earth. “Many” is different from “all”. Would Jehovah call only some people to be saved? Of course not. What is the proof that Jehovah not only chooses many but all to be saved?

1 Timothy 2: 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. – TNIV

And if all people (the Christians after Jesus unto Armageddon) who will be saved on Armageddon will live on heaven then the word of God will become false. And those are in the following verses:

Proverbs 2:21,22

21For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
22But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. – KJV

Isaiah 24: 5The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.6Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. – KJV

Isaiah 24:13-16

13When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.
14They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the LORD, they shall cry aloud from the sea.
15Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea.
16From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

The verses show that after the great tribulation comes then that would be the time for the harvest and many people around the world will sing and praise for joy in the name of Jehovah.

The Scriptures clearly states that the will of Jehovah is to let all be saved. And it is through his son, Jesus Christ.

John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. – NWT

John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” – NWT

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. – NIV

This means those people who will go to heaven will have no way come to the Father except through Jesus. That’s why 144,000 started from the time of Jesus until Armageddon.

What is the proof that there are two groups of sheep mentioned by Jesus?

Revelation 14:1 And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound out of heaven as the sound of many waters and as the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was as of singers who accompany themselves on the harp playing on their harps. 3 And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth. – NWT

Revelation 5: 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” – NWT

Notice those bought persons for God out of all nations will become kings and they will rule over the earth. We can see they are the ONES WHO WILL RULE OVER THE EARTH. That is why after the Great Tribulation comes, the “great crowd” who will come out from the great tribulation will have to undergo for a test until 1000 years is over and the FINAL TEST through Satan and his demons.

We see now that the small flock whom Jesus told is the 144,000 redeemed from all the human races in the world. How are we going to know now that those who will be on heaven are only 144,000? It is because the other sheep was not counted. He did not define the total number of people that will be saved.

Revelation 7:9, 10, 13 – 15: 9 “After this I looked, and there was an enormous crowd – no one could count the people! They were from every race, tribe, nation, and language, and they stood in front of the throne and of the Lamb, dressed in white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10They called out in a loud voice : ‘Salvation comes from our God, who sits on the throne, and from the Lamb!’ ” 13One of the elders asked me, ‘Who are these people dressed in white robes, and where do they come from?’ 14‘I don’t know, sir. You do,’ I answered. He said to me, ‘These are the people who have come safely through the terrible persecution. They have washed their robes and made them white with the blood of the Lamb. 15That is why they stand before God’s throne and serve him day and night in his temple. He who sits on the throne will protect them with his presence.’ ”

Is this mean they would literally be on heaven? No. Acts 10:33; 1 timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:14 show the word “before God”. The Greek word ”enopion” that is used here on these verses literall means ”in sight”, but it doesn’t mean it is literally in front of God. A lot of verses in Hebrew Scriptures used the same word. Some examples are below:

Exodus 28:30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron’s heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually. – KJV

Numbers 16:16 Moses said to Korah, “You and all your company be present before the LORD tomorrow, both you and they along with Aaron. 17″Each of you take his firepan and put incense on it, and each of you bring his censer before the LORD, two hundred and fifty firepans; also you and Aaron shall each bring his firepan.” – NASB

Some religious leaders say that 144,000 is symbolical and not a literal number that is saying that all Christians who are righteous will be on heaven. That is from the time of Christ up to the day of Armageddon. And those who will be saved will be on heaven and those who lived before Jesus Christ will live on earth. Let us see first the proof that those only who come during Jesus’ time as man until today are the one who will be on heaven.

John 3:3 In answer Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nic·o·de´mus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Obviously, born from water means baptism in water and born from spirit means born from God as someone who is anointed to become priest of God and Jesus in heaven. And this only started on the time of Jesus as man and first practiced by John the Baptizer. There is no evidence in the Hebrew Scriptures that practiced baptism in water. Baptism in water means dipping the whole body in water. Thus those people that will be on heaven were from Jesus’ time until Armageddon and who were baptized in water and in Spirit of God. The people who live before the New Testament (Christian Greek Scriptures) will not be in heaven. Another verse is this:

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. – NASB

In the verse above it shows that to become children of God he must received first Jesus. And only Jesus has the way for someone to be called children of God. That is why in John 14:6, he said that no one will ever come to his Father except through him. How can the people before in the New Testament will come to the Father if they did not got a chance to know Jesus Christ? Also in this verse people will not come to existence without the will of God. That born is in physical – born of a woman or by blood and flesh. But the word “born of God” signifies a different thing to children of God. Who are those born of God? A verse from the Bible identifies them clearly.

Romans 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. – KJV

Romans 9:16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. – NASB

Romans 8:27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose [emphasize pls]. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. – TNIV Please emphasize the italicized and underlined word above.

Now what does predestined mean? As far as I know it is a define place or destiny of your life which in the end you will be there because someone define it for you. Would this mean all called people will be on heaven whether they continue to be bad until their death? Definitely it is not. Is this a force for someone to be in heaven? No. It is an invitation for those selected people and has defined their destiny to be in heaven if and only if they accept the invitation and follow the will of Jehovah. So why they are predestine? It is because when they resurrected they will not be subjected to another death but will live eternally in heaven unlike with those resurrected after Armageddon who will have to prove themselves until 1000 years is over in order to surpass the second death and have eternal life.

Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; – KJV

Now let us know about the 144,000. Actually, Jesus discussed them through an illustration. Let us quote it from the Holy Scriptures.

The Parable of the Wedding Banquet

Matthew 22:1 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2″The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

4″Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

5″But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

8″Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11″But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12′Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless.

13″Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14″For many are invited, but few are chosen.” – NIV

Let us discuss the parable mentioned by Jesus. He said that the Kingdom of God (literally in heaven) is like a wedding banquet for his son. Many people are invited but only few are chosen. Verse 5 shows that people who are invited were refused to come and continued to their own works. So the master killed them. Verse 9 says that the master commanded the servants (The Jehovah’s Witnesses) to invite again people both wicked and good and come for the wedding banquet of his son. These people accepted the invitation and this invitation is to know or take knowledge about Jehovah and Jesus [John 17;3]. But there was a man in verse 11 that is invited but not properly clothed. He was not wearing a wedding suit. That is why he was sent out in the darkness. That was his punishment. What does the wedding suit imply? We know that the common dress for wedding ceremony is white and that symbolize purity and cleanliness. So definitely those wicked that were invited have wore the proper suit even not as white but at least wedding suit which means they dressed up themselves properly according to the right suit. From being wicked they changed themselves to be good and holy. Unlike the man, who was invited, he did not wear a proper suit for the wedding ceremony. Thus, he replied for the invitation yet he did not change himself into the requirement of God. So the kingdom of God is like that, many are invited but few are chosen. Those only who will follow the will of Jehovah may have the chance to be chosen to be in heaven the others not chosen will live on earth. So, definitely not all people are invited to the kingdom of God (literally in heaven) but only few among the people.Those who are invited on the wedding ceremony yet reject the invitation will be destroyed also as well as those who accepted the invitation yet ignored the will of God – that is  to follow the will of Jehovah.

The Kingdom of God is just like with the wedding feast. There is a king who is preparing for a wedding feast for his son. The King is Jehovah and his son is Jesus Christ. The kingdom of God is the heavenly kingdom. Many people are invited to attend of the wedding of his son both good and wicked. However, there was a man who did not wear a wedding suit, thus he did not change his clothes and wear a proper suit which symbolize his new personality according to the will of God. He was thrown in the darkness outside and punished. It is true in the bible that people must seek first the kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33) just as in the way Jehovah’s Witnesses are calling every people to come to know the truth. Many people (the Jehovah’s Witnesses) are invited and and have seek the kingdom of God (the truth about Jehovah and the good news of kingdom) yet few (144,000) are chosen to be part on that Heavenly Kingdom. Not all got the chance to know about the Word of God but many people have accepted the invitation of God and have come to know the truth and are enjoying the blessings of God made for them but only the limited number of 144,000 are the ones who will inherit the kingdom of God in heaven and the other righteous people will inherit the earth which is the extension of God’s kingdom from heaven.

The proof that Jehovah chosen a total number of 144,000 to be His priests and of Jesus is from John 17:2.

John 17:2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life.

Take note what Jesus said. He said that he may give everlasting life to all people but the other people which belongs to the great crowd will have eternal life will also be possible through the the whole number (the 144,000) given by Jehovah to Jesus. Thus, in this sentence, Jesus identifies the 144,000 who will reign also on his reigning to rule over the earth for the benefits of the great crowd and those who will be resurrected after Armageddon. This is the purpose of God to be fulfilled by the 144,000.

A good verse from the Bible that would prove that there are heavenly people and earthly people that Jehovah will make.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone may ask, How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?

38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.

40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. – NIV

Is Paul referring to present things? No. He is answering the question of what kind of body does men will have in resurrection. Of course Paul will give an exact answer. He will not lead his answer in other direction. He’s answer was straight to the point. And it is true in all the previous verses mentioned above. Please see the link below for additional discussion about 144,000.

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  2. COMMENT about ascension to heaven:

    1 Corinthians 12:2

    Take note this was a vision only of Paul and this is impossible to happen by that time in literal sense because 1 Corinthians 15:23 and Revelation 20:6 spokes that resurrection will take place on the presence (parousia) of Jesus Christ and those who belong to 144,000 will have the first resurrection. The “presence” of Jesus Christ and not “the second coming” of Jesus Christ is started when the Messianic Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914. The proof of this presence has seen in Revelation 6:9 – 11 in which the remnant of 144,000 will have to die first to acquire spiritual body in order to get in heaven – 1 Corinthians 15: 50 – 53. The 144,000 will acquire the image (being spirit) of the Son of God just like Jesus had died and resurrected spiritually and ascended into heaven – 1 Corinthians 15:49; Romans 8:29. Take note the last verse which said to be conform with the image of the Son therefore the person must die before acquiring spiritual body just like happened to Jesus – 1 Corinthians 15:36; 1 Corinthians 15:44. We should also note that there is heavenly bodies and earthly bodies that Jehovah will give – 1 Corinthians 15:35, 38, 40.

  3. Another proof to believe that Jesus is the spokesperson sent by Jehovah God or the Word of God (John 1:1; John 1:14; Revelation 19:13) is that there is no verse in Hebrew Scriptures that speaks of the righteous people that will go in heaven after resurrection but rather the resurrected people will live on earth – Proverbs 2:21, 22; Psalms 37:11, 29. It was through Jesus the heavenly hope is preached to people. Please see the link below for additional information about heavenly life and earthly life.
    How about Ezekiel who was taken up in heaven in 2 Kings 2:11? He was not taken up to literal heaven but rather in a place somewhere just like prophets thought in verse 16. They said it because they have no knowledge about resurrection into heaven much well of a living man then eventually taken up into heaven. What they saw is a whirlwind that took up Elijah in sky and displaced him into another place. One thing the word “sky” in English simply refers to the same word as “heaven” just like in Genesis 1:28; Psalms 79:2; Jeremiah 7:33; 15:3. They have the same Hebrew word. Thus, Jesus was the one who revealed the word of Jehovah about those who have hope for heavenly life and those who have hope for earthly life. It was through him the eternal life in heaven was been introduced to people during his ministry. Therefore the fact of denying the Greek Scriptures is the same as denying Jesus and the hope for heavenly life since the heavenly life was taught in the Greek Scriptures and by Jesus. No one has the knowledge of heavenly hope in the Old Testament or Hebrew Scriptures. It was only through Jesus that the resurrection for heaven life has been introduced and only through his apostles and disciples which is also known as the early Christians.
    Here are the Hebrew Interlinear about the word “heaven” which means of a literal “sky”:
    Genesis 1: 28
    Psalms 79:2
    Jeremiah 7:33
    Jeremiah 15:3

  4. Another thing there is no one who ascended in heaven before Jesus Christ. John 3:3 – 5 speaks of baptism in water and born of spirit and are the only ones who will have chance to enter in heaven. There is no baptism before in Hebrew Scriptures but rather taking a bath to wash body if ever they touch a dead body, have transmitted disease or have “wet dreams” and it is being done without limitations that is whenever the person experience these. It was said also in the Bible that David did not ascend to heaven as what Paul said – Acts 2:34.

  5. Wow!! You are really caught up in the doctrines of Man. Was this teaching taught by the apostles? Let’s see what Paul said, “Let them be accursed!” (Gal 1:8-9) We are encouraged to not believe every spirit, but to test them for we are united in hope, which is Christ revealed in us as we continue until our Master returns physically.(1Jn 4:1-6, Eph 4:13-16, Col 1:27). We struggle in teaching the real good news, not news created by man as a form of legalistic control. We have within us a seal,a baptism without hands, THE SEAL of the Living God, that we are the children of God. (1Jn 3:24)We are encouraged so that we do not fall victim to false teachings because our teacher is Christ, not a ‘governing body’ who follows the teachings of the ‘Spirit of Error’.(Col 2:1-23, 1Pet 2:1-3) He spoke of those who are not baptized of the spirit aka Born Again when he told those in Colossae of whom they used to be Col 1:21, also in Ephesus he described those who are not ‘Born Again'(Eph 4:17-19, 2Pet 2:9- :18)I could go on and on, but the point that is made is that God’s word is true and men who are not born of Christ, are Liars (Rom 3:4). When John was given the revelation of the things to come, there were already many who were dead, in Heaven, before God’s throne, many of which were raised when Christ yeilded up his spirit (Matt 27:52). If you understood God’s word, you would have understood that Jesus initially came for the Jews, but through their disobedience, the physical rulership did not take place, but instead the same gospel was preached to the Gentiles to make the Jew jealous to point of repenting and being grafted back in (Rom 7-9). So the scripture is true all by itself..the 144k are the witnesses used in the conversion of other Jews who will repent during the tribulation time. It is the because of the tribulation that many Jews will be saved. Church (born again beleivers) were already caught up and in Heaven before the Jews were sealed. They were SEALED not killed or raised… they were sealed so that they could fulfill thier role in repenting and beleiving in Christ, their true root. We, who are the Body of Christ endures now while we are yet in bodies with a Heavenly Spirit. We are molded in the image of Christ now by the Holy Spirt who will finish the work upon his arrival. That same spirit that sealed us from the day Pentecost, started off by sealing the Messianic Jews, which still exist today (the 144k). which is the same spirit that raised our master. The tribulation was promised so that those whose hearts, God hardened, some would be saved (the 144k), would learn the truth of thier savior. The frutition of their job that is completed is when they die and are revealed in Rev 14:1-3, standing in the Heavenly Jerusalem. The earthly Jerusalem has always been promised to be in Jerusalem, not everywhere in the world as the JW’s teach. The earthly kingdom will be in Jerusalem and the ones who are not in the kingdom will travel to Jerusalem to worship the Godhead. If the same truth and good news (Christ) was taught to the Jews of old and the gentiles, where does any of the doctrine of the JW’s fit in… they dont

  6. The Jw’s teach many man made, carnally created doctrines. The foundation of Christanity is tht Christ is the son of God, who is the divine substance of his father, making him divine, unbegotten, and eternally existed. The Jw’s teach and beleive that Christ is nothing more than a celestial being,a creation of himself because Christ created all things. They dont understand that only God could create.. angels are beings with specific purposes. Jw’s go even deeper in to idolatry by teaching and beleiving that Christ is Michael the archangel. Those that belong to God, who died with Christ and was raised by the Holy Spirit to be born again as children of God, released from the bondage of slavery from Satan, know who Christ is while those weeds who are of their master satan do not. You see gentiles were called dogs in the bible, as we who are born again are told to watch out for the dogs (Phil 3:2-4), we are encouraged, by the apostles, told by Paul and warned by John.. all of whom are witnesses of Christ!!! Only man would create a carnal doctrine to say that Christ took power in 1914, when Christ himself said that he would be with his sheep always and the witness to that promise, which was also the promise that he was seated at the right hand of the father, was the Holy Spirit. Now you would have to know Jewish history, which JW’s and many still babes in Christ dont know, is that a seated position meant that they fulfilled their purpose or teaching. It was Christ the whole time in the OT and he emptied himself into the form of man, and was raised back to where he came from. Man does not worship angels (well, the JW’s do)there are many, many instances/examples where the matriarchs and patriarchs bowed and worshiped God who apeared. The Jews were disbursed among the nations and had not seen GOD and angels on a regular basis, so some said they saw and spoke to God, while others called him an Angel. Does that mean that Jesus is an celestial being? ‘NO’ Christ was in the beginning, on the earth, and back in Heaven as a divine God. Jesus has been revealing his father, since creation.. It was Jesus who rested on the 7th day and then later he admitted that he was the ‘Lord of the Sabbath’. YVHV is one of his names, for which only ‘Yah’ has been identified. The rest of that name is not identified, but he is also called, the prince of peace, God Almighty, wonderful counseler, the Holy One of Israel, the seed of David, the lion of Juda… etc… He is still the same GOD that came and created man, so that his father’s glory could be revealed among his creation on this planet. Satan has tried to thwart Christ’s plan since before the world was created and has challenged him. Throughout our existence, the father has supported Christ and even gave him over to be sin in our behalf, for which Satan thought that he had finally beaten Christ and risen above his throne, but was shocked when he found out the truth. Christ has been setting captives free of Satans bondage, since the initial fall and he is still setting captives free thraough us, who are the remnant of his body on earth. Only Born Again beleivers should be leading the branches of Christ, but JW’s have slaves of Satan leading and teaching the dogs. When Jw’s have been called by God, their understanding will be illuminated by the Holy Spirit and not by a group of non Christians who say that they are of God, thier fruits would show it and the main important fruit is its foundations… So false foundations lead to people who are tossed by every false doctrine and wave of teaching that they are taught. The church was only made up of the Holy Born Again Christians, not the dogs who were water baptized and beleif false doctrine passing them off as truths. This is why we, who are called and chosen of God, hear our master and follow only our master.. Only those who are not born again would argue about God’s word. God said to let them keep being led by thier teachers… and a slave is not greater than his master… and the blind are led by the blind. God called dogs out of darkness and transferred them to the Kingdom of light, he said that if anyone tried to sneak in other than through Christ, they are theives and robbers… and in another place he said.. the king asked the guest where was his robe and when he said that he didnt have one, the king had him thrown out with the rest of the dogs outside, where weeping and gnashing of teath are. Without being born again, men of this world are still slaves and workers of Satan. If a JW’s approach you and start trying to reel you in with cunning words, you need to ask them if they are born again. If they tell you no, (because the Holy Spirit convicts the children of God and the children of the world), you should share with them the Gospel message, if God wants them, he will call them, if they dont repent, then God still has not called them and there is nothing you can say or do that will cast out that ‘Spirit of Error’ and bondage that has them hostage. If you keep listening to thier cunning or tickling words, you will start to beleive them and will be attempted to disregard the annointing which God himself placed in you to start worshiping the spirt of error with them. We are fighting spiritual warfare (in the spirit, in Christ, in the spiritual Kingdom)to keep the saints in Christ. The problem is that instead of the Church keeping the Church holy, they let the dogs in an attempt to convert them, but that was not what Christ told them to do. Christ still opens the eyes of his sheep, but we now suffer with the consequences of our actions. It becomes harder to identify the true Christians from the professed Christians, who snuck in and were let in by the babes in Christ, or the ones who were ‘out of order’ in Christ or the dogs that pretended to be children. God knew this would happen, for what did he remind us… “let them grow together. At the harvest, the harvesters (the angels) will stick in thier sicles and pull out those that are weeds and put them in the winepress. The righteous will inherit the earth and even the righteous are ‘Born Again’ so in this system and the next, greiving the Holy spirit will not be allowed. God said that if your righteousness (religion) is no better than the Pharisees, you will NOT enter the Kingdom. The Pharisees created doctrine and legalist rules to keep people trapped in thier beleif and if you dont agree with them, they punish and ban you… Just like the Jw do… So please, I know this is your own personal blog and because of Satan ruling this system by constantly introducing false doctrine, have a right to your own opinion according to your own will,for which you will have to answer to Jesus… You know what nevermind because anyone who believes false doctrine and people who worship angels, and people who attempt to predict God through pyramids, “Oh, you didnt know where the 1914 came from?” Sad.. Please do your homework and research where this organization has its roots and history of false doctrine.. They dont even care for the poor or the hungry unless they are JW’s. That alone should have told you that they werent Christians, for God is not partial and is the judge of all. Christ said that those that were from him would do the same thing he did… Anyway… it doesnt matter because the blind can only lead the blind….

  7. May I know to what religion do you belong?

  8. Many Christian denominations speak of what you believe but let me remind you this text before I start explaining.

    “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight.”—2 Timothy 3:16.

    From this scripture we can say that the Bible can teach for best and correct wrong thinking or false teachings. I hope after you read this you will open your mind and heart and accept the truth.

    I wonder why many religions are very against with Jehovah’s Witnesses. I believed you are one of them because of these words you said, “We are encouraged so that we do not fall victim to false teachings because our teacher is Christ, not a ‘governing body’ who follows the teachings of the ‘Spirit of Error’.”

    First, the true Christian fulfills the prophecy of Jesus in John 15:19. Since Jehovah’s Witnesses are not part of the world (that is being worldly and supporting political government) therefore, the world hates them.

    Second, Jesus do not judge according to what only he hears but according to righteousness – Isaiah 11:3. I hope you will too. Well some Jehovah’s Witnesses now who were not JW before were judgmental too about JW but they have search for spiritual truth and find the true teachings of Jesus through JW and so they became Christians as well. I wish you could scan the pages of my blogs too and read articles from the Watchtower magazines and at to see for the truth and not just listen to what the world tells about the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    In relation to Matthew 27:52 that you were saying, yes there is a physical resurrection (not spiritual) after Jesus was resurrected. The proof is because verse 53 tells that those resurrected people were seen by many people. How is it possible that they are not resurrected in spiritual body? It is because in 1Thesallonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:22 that the resurrection will take place only on the time of presence of Jesus. In addition of this, Revelation 1:5 and Colossians 1:18 state that Jesus is the firstborn among the dead that is saying he is the first resurrected in spirit from among the dead. How could be Matthew 27:52 be a physical resurrection? Take note the dead people who came out from the tombs were said had slept (died) but the length of their being dead was not mention. From this, we could conclude that the resurrected holy ones are those who had died for about 3 days or 4 days just as in the case of Lazarus. John 3:13 speaks that no one had ascend to heaven, only Jesus who descended from heaven is the one who ascend to heaven. One thing, 2 Timothy 2:18 which written by Paul states that there were some persons who taken themselves away from the truth were telling that resurrection had happened already and were destroying the true faith of the others. From this Matthew 27:52 cannot be spiritual resurrection that is to say resurrection by having a spiritual body.

    You said that there are born again who are already in heaven and not part of the 144K. Let us just clarify about the 144K. First, they are not Jews. Manasseh was not son of Israel but of Joseph who is son of Israel (Genesis 41:50 – 51). Second, they are identified as kings and priests of God who came from EVERY TRIBE (meaning from all race of people), LANGUAGE AND NATION (Revelation 5:10) thus it means they are not literal Jews. Third, all 144K who has heavenly hope should be resurrected first before resurrection for earthly hope starts – 1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:22; Revelation 20:6. Take note Revelation 20:6 speaks of first resurrection in heaven that will not die anymore that is they will become spirits being and this make sense on the other resurrection – those who have earthly hope for they are being compared as the one who will not have second death. They are safe already. In this verse also THE FIRST RESURRECTION are identified as the ones who will become kings and priests of God and Jesus who will rule for 1000 years along with Jesus Christ. So logically, they are identified as the 144K.

    You said that earthly kingdom will be in Jerusalem and that people will go there to worship God. Psalms 37:9, 11, 29 speaks of earthly paradise. King David will be preeminent among other kings on earth – Psalms 89:26 – 29 (they are also referred as princes of the earth). Isaiah 11:9 speaks that the earth will have full of knowledge – about Jehovah and his creations. Why all the people need to travel to Jerusalem to worship God, if now on these days and even before on the time of Christian among many nations they can worship Jehovah at anytime and at any place? Could the population of one country hold all the people who would go to the place for worship in Jerusalem? It is impossible to have that kind of worship. How many shifting of schedules will be done to cover all the people of earth on that coming paradise? Therefore, Jerusalem should be interpreted as spiritual and not as literal.

    Perhaps I will post articles about being born again next time.

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  10. Child of the most high,

    Before I express my words in writing, I wish peace would be in every one of us and that we speak boldly according to what the Scriptures says. Your words seems really harsh to the JW but I respect your opinion and your comment is too long which readers may not get interested to read on. So I will post some of your comments and my answer to the things you are saying.

    You said: “If you understood the above point that God made through Paul, you would understand that no religion (which is just a form of worship) is physically GOD nor does a man made church represent God and any organization that presents itself as such is displaying idolatry and adultery. For just is the Kingdom is spiritual, so the Body of Christ is spiritual and they are spiritual discerned. If you don’t have Christ in you, you are not in Gods Kingdom, to teach contrary to this is calling Jesus a lie. The spiritual scriptures are for those that are spiritual, not for babes or for the dogs who pick out scriptures to use to bring their point across for this is what Satan did in the garden and to Jesus in wilderness. So to add a logically unsound carnal reason to God’s spiritual word is blasphemy and adultery.”

    My answer: In your words you are implicitly saying that church is not important in identifying the true religion. It is true that true worshippers worship God in spirit and in truth and that true worshippers should worship God in spirit and truth – John 4:23 – 24. If true worship cannot be identified through a true religion then how come God can call his own nation as his true worshippers separate from the false religions? Actually, the churh or congregation is important in indentifying the true religion because Jesus is the foundation of the rock in which he taught the true teachings of the word of God – Matthew 21:42; Ephesians 2:20. It is through the foundation of the church which is the body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23; Colossians 1:18) the true teachings was set on. The question is how can the true worshippers of God be identified if they do not identify themselves as the true religion? Remember, Paul talked about different sects before which means different groups against the true group. Even Paul himself belongs to a sect before called Judaism – Acts 25:26; Galatians 1:13. In Galatians 1:13 Paul himself admitted that he persecuted the church or congregation of God. Thus, a true religion is identified through a true congregation of God. We believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses is the true congregation of God and that we have the true religion.

    The next lengthy paragraphs of yours are your personal opinion or experience. I cannot conclude if your statement is really from yours or it was only a craft from someone’s personal belief or experience. That is why I need to know your religion because it seems your identity crosses to at least three different religions.

    You said: “Your mistaken, the bible does not say that there is an earthly resurrection. The people who are raised on the earth after the 1000 year reign are raised at the white throne of Christ for Judgment and after they have been judged righteous, they are resurrected (Rev 20:11-14) to the earth. Note the scripture, they are raised AFTER the thousand year reign and just before Satan and death, at Armageddon. The Born Again Christians get the prize of being raised before Armageddon, the remainder of the world is raised for judgement at Armageddon after Satan and death are swallowed and throne in the Lake of Fire and the unbeleivers and the dogs go with them. Those in the first resurrection do not have to have their deeds named because they are covered with the blood. These are the ones who accepted Christ as their redeemer. They go to the Heavenly Jerusalem. The second resurrections is for those that did not accept Christ as God and their savior. Since they did not accept him and let the blood cover them, the book is opened and they are judged by their deeds. Those that are born again are sealed, so that they are saved from death, the non born again people from the beginning of time, will be judged.”

    My answer: There is no resurrection after 1000 years. Revelation 20:6 speaks of resurrection for heavenly life who will be priests of God and Jesus and be kings in heaven and will rule on earth for 1000 years (Revelation 5:9 – 10). To whom will they rule and why they will rule on earth? This gives an answer now as to the reason why resurrection will takes place after Armageddon. 1 Corinthians 6:2 and Revelation 20:4 states that this heavenly rulers (the 144K) will judge the people on earth and that is why they are going to rule on earth as of fulfillment of Isaiah 65:20 during 1000 years. You said Satan and his demons will be killed after Armageddon and so the judgment to all people will take place and the righteous will be resurrected to live on earth. It is not possible since Revelation 20:7 tells that after Armageddon, Satan and his demons will be put into prison for 1000 years first and after 1000 years he will be freed and deceived nations in the four corners of the world so therefore it means all nations will come to a final test. It cannot be first resurrection of righteous people on earth then after Satan and his demons destroyed after 1000 years another resurrection for the wicked takes place. It is not possible because it was said in Acts 24:15 that there will be a resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous [those who have not come to know the truth]. During 1000 years resurrected people will have to prove until the final test that they are deserving of eternal life (See Isaiah 65:20 and the preceding and following verses of it which will happen during 1000 years). The proof that first resurrection (heavenly life) takes place in the time of presence (parousia) of Jesus as what stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:23 and not after Armageddon is also in Revelation 6:9 – 11.In this verse, the resurrected people (some of 144K) are in heaven already and are waiting for the time of God to take actions against the wicked people on earth which is on Armageddon. We see that there are people resurrected already before Armageddon comes and that is the time of presence of Jesus which starts in 1914 when he became King in heaven as appointed by God – Daniel 2:44; 7:13, 14. Now, what about Revelation 20:12 – 15, should we say that this will happen after the second resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous [those who did not come to know the truth] and so there is a resurrection of the wicked ones after 1000 years? No. Remember the words of Jesus when he said to fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (Matthew 10:28). Thus, the wicked ones are not in Hades but in Gehenna who will not have resurrection. The ones in Hades are the ones who will have chance to resurrect just as what stated in verse 13. If someone will say that these are wicked and is believing the second resurrection (after Armageddon) applies to both righteous and unrighteous (the ones who did not come to know the truth), then it would violate the words in verse 13 that the dead were gave up by hades and sea meaning there are righteous persons in hades who will be resurrected. The words “its dead” does includes both “righteous and unrighteous” so it is impossible to say that wicked will be resurrected after 1000 years but instead there will be a resurrection of both “righteous and unrighteous” after Armageddon and not the resurrection of the wicked. Therefore, Hades and sea will gave up its dead people after Armageddon happens and that during 1000 years people will have full knowledge and completely know the righteousness of Jehovah and that after 1000 years, Satan and his demons will come to God’s nation for a final test. Finally, the salvation once more will acquire by the righteous people of earth when God will destroy all people who will disobey God’s will including Satan and his demons.

    I hope people will not judge the JW as what you hear from the others but see the truth that they present that is in line with the Bible. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are not teaching man-made doctrines that is the reason there are changes in their beliefs before to make their belief in accordance with the teachings of the word of God – the Bible. May the people who may read this start searching for the truth and one way is to study the truth that they are presenting.
    I hope it helps clear the things you mention. Please see the link below for the year 1914.

    Psalms 56:13 is another example that soul is subject to die. Therefore it is not immortal.

    Here are some links of the word soul that will die. Psalms 56:13 Ezekiel 18:4, 20 James 5:20

    All the above examples are only some of the many examples of the word “soul” that may die.

  11. Child of the most high,

    Can you cite your proofs against the Biblical doctrines I presented on my blogs? It seems you are not zeal with the spirit of truth. Are you not willing to seek for the truth? Seek the truth my friend for it will set you free – John 8:32. Read my posts and read it in your own Bible version. At the end, you will realize the truth my friend. Stop saying harsh words. True Christian don’t say harmful words towards certain people especially when you are directing to the persons you are talking with. I am sorry I cannot post your comments here.

    The JW is continuing spreading the good news and truth to the people of the world. I hope you will be one of those who are receiving the truth.

  12. child of the most high ?,

    As I have said to you, you can present your belief against the JW. But please show me that the JW’s Biblical doctrines are incorrect? You keep saying that JW are false and they teach man-made doctrines. I am urging you to present your biblical doctrines on this page that contradicts the Biblical doctrines that JW presents. Please stop sending me messages which is based only in your opinions. I have no time for a debate with you.

  13. child of the most ?,

    You send too many comments… I’m sorry you are really mistaken. I suggest you read all my blogs. Please and understand.

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