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IDENTIFYING THE FUTURE HEAVENLY BEINGS AND EARTHLY BEINGS

Posted by: fromthesunrising on: November 4, 2009

IDENTIFYING THE FUTURE HEAVENLY BEINGS AND EARTHLY BEINGS

John 10:16 “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. – NWT

John 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. – NASB

It is clear from the words of Jesus that he has people who doesn’t belong to his fold or pen. When Jesus spoke these terms he was talking to his apostles at that time. He said he will bring them too and they will become one flock. So definitely, on the time he is saying it he mean that there are other sheep (other Christians on that time) who are not belong to his fold. His words “not on this fold” are assured true because he said “they will become one flock” – meaning separated from the flock he mentioned first. That is really true because he said that only little flock will be on heaven.

Luke 12:32 “Have no fear, little flock, because YOUR Father has approved of giving YOU the kingdom.”

Is this only applied to early Christians before? Let us study the verse below.

Luke 22:2″The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 14 For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

Is this refer to all the people on earth that is invited on the time of Jesus upto this date and few have chosen to be saved? No. Verse 14 show the word “many” not “all” so definitely it is not all the people on earth. “Many” is different from “all”. We all know that, right? Would Jehovah call only some people to be saved? Of course not. What is the proof that Jehovah not only chooses many but all to be saved?

1 Timothy 2: 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. – TNIV

And if all people (the Christians after Jesus unto Armageddon) who will be saved on Armageddon will live on heaven then the word of God will become false. And those are in the following verses:

Proverbs 2:21,22

21For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
22But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. – KJV

Isaiah 24: 5The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.6Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. – KJV

Isaiah 24:13-16

13When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.
14They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of the LORD, they shall cry aloud from the sea.
15Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea.
16From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

The verses shows that after the tribulation come then that would be the time for the harvest and many people around the world will sing and praise for Joy in the name of Jehovah.

The Scriptures clearly states that the will of Jehovah is to let all be saved.And it is through his son, Jesus Christ.

John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. – NWT

John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” – NWT

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. – NIV

This means those people who will go to heaven will have no way except through Jesus. That’s why 144,ooo started from the time of Jesus until Armageddon.

What is the proof that there are two groups of sheep mentioned by Jesus?

Revelation 14:1 And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound out of heaven as the sound of many waters and as the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was as of singers who accompany themselves on the harp playing on their harps. 3 And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth. – NWT

Revelation 5: 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
– KJV

Revelation 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” – NWT

We see now that the small flock whom Jesus told is the 144,000 redeemed from all the human race in the world. How are we going to know now that those who will be on heaven is only 144,000? It is because the other sheep was not counted. He did not define the total number of people that will be saved.

Revelation 7:9, 10, 13 – 15 : 9 “After this I looked, and there was an enormous crowd – no one could count the people! They were from every race, tribe, nation, and language, and they stood in front of the throne and of the Lamb, dressed in white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10They called out in a loud voice : ‘Salvation comes from our God, who sits on the throne, and from the Lamb!’ ” 13One of the elders asked me, ‘Who are these people dressed in white robes, and where do they come from?’ 14‘I don’t know, sir. You do,’ I answered. He said to me, ‘These are the people who have come safely through the terrible persecution. They have washed their robes and made them white with the blood of the Lamb. 15That is why they stand before God’s throne and serve him day and night in his temple. He who sits on the throne will protect them with his presence.’ ”

Is this mean they are literally would be on heaven. No. Acts 10:33; 1 timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:14 shows the word before God. But it doesn’t mean it is literally in front of God. A lot of verses in Hebrew Scriptures uses the same word.

Exodus 28:30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron’s heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually. – KJV

Numbers 16:16 Moses said to Korah, “You and all your company be present before the LORD tomorrow, both you and they along with Aaron. 17″Each of you take his firepan and put incense on it, and each of you bring his censer before the LORD, two hundred and fifty firepans; also you and Aaron shall each bring his firepan.” – NASB

Some religious leaders say that 144,000 is symbolical and not literal number. Saying that all Christians will be on heaven. That is from the time of Christ upto the day of Armageddon.And those who will be saved will be on heaven and those who lived before Jesus Christ will live on earth. Let us see first the proof that those only who come during Jesus’ time as man until today are the one who will be on heaven.

John 3:3 In answer Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nic·o·de´mus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Obviously born from water means baptism in water. And this only started on the time of Jesus as man and first practiced by John the Baptist. There is no evidence in the Hebrew Scriptures that practiced baptism in water. Another verse is this:

John 1:12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. – NASB

Of course people will not come to existence without the will of God. That born is in physical. Born of a woman – by blood and flesh. But the word born of God signifies a different thing to children of God. Who are those born of GOD. A verse from the Bible identifies them clearly.

Romans 9:10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth ;)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. – KJV

Romans 9:16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. – NASB

Romans 8:27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. (emphasize the italized word)

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who [a] have been called according to his purpose [emphasize pls]. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined [emphasize pls] to be conformed to the image of his Son [emphasize pls], that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined [emphasize pls], he also called [emphasize pls] ; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. – TNIV

Now what does predestined mean? As far as I know it is a define place or destiny of your life which in the end you will be there because someone define it for you. Would this mean all chosen people will be on heaven whether they continue to be bad until their death.Definitely not. Is this a force for someone to be in heaven. No. It is an invitation for those selected people and has defined their destiny to be in heaven if they accept the invitation and follow the will of Jehovah.

Hebrews 3: 1Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; – KJV

Now let us know about the 144,000. Actually, Jesus discussed them through an illustration. Let us quote it from the Holy Scriptures.

The Parable of the Wedding Banquet

Matthew 22:1 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2″The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

4″Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

5″But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

8″Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11″But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12′Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless.

13″Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14″For many are invited, but few are chosen.” – NIV

Let us discuss the parable mentioned by Jesus. He said that the Kingdom of God (literally in heaven) is like a wedding banquet for his son. People are invited but only few are chosen. Verse 5 shows that people invited were refused to come and continue to their own works. So the master killed them. Verse 9 says that the master commanded the servants (The Jehovahs’s Witnesses) to invite again people both wicked and good and come for the wedding banquet of his son.These people accept the invitation. But there was a man in verse 11 that is invited but not properly clothes. He is not wearing a wedding suit. That is why he was sent out in the darkness. That was his punishment. What does the wedding suit imply? We know that the common dress for wedding ceremony is white and that symbolize purity and cleanliness. So definitely those wicked that were invited have wore the proper suit (even not white at least proper suit for the wedding) means they dress themselves properly according to the right suit. From being wicked they changed themselves to be good and holy. Unlike the man, even he was invited he did not wear a proper suit for the wedding ceremony. So the kingdom of God is like that, many are invited but few are chosen. Those only who will follow the will of Jehovah will be chosen to be in heaven. So definitely not all people are invited to the kingdom of God (literally) but some of the peple.

A good verse from the Bible would prove that there are heavenly people and earthly people that Jehovah will make.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”

38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.

40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. – NIV

Is he referring to present things? No. He is answering the question of what kind of body men will have. Of course Paul will give an answer.He will not lead his answer in other directions. He’s answer was straight to the point. And it is true in all the previous verses mentioned.

 

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JEHNU = JEHOVAH PERSEVERES

 

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